The case, on the record and on the air.

Matt Hawkins has carried the Convention of Counties from the law reviews to the airwaves. Listen to the interviews below, then use the press kit to book him for your show, podcast, or county meeting.

01 Interviews

Hear Matt make
the argument live.

Short, sharp conversations on why representation was lost and the lawful path to restore it. Press play, or open the full episode at its source.

Audio · SoundCloud

Lars Larson Show

An 8-minute case for counties

Matt lays out the whole argument in eight tight minutes: what Reynolds v. Sims did, and why restoring county representation is lawful, not radical.

Listen on SoundCloud

Audio · Blubrry

Chris Hinckley

From law reviews to statehouses

A wider conversation tracing the constitutional roots of the argument and how a county-by-county movement carries it into real legislative action.

Listen on Blubrry
Jerrod Sessler interviewing Matt Hawkins about the Convention of Counties

Jerrod Sessler · Video

A promo for the movement

Jerrod Sessler sits down with Matt for a short, shareable introduction to the Convention of Counties and what it asks of every county.

Watch on YouTube

02 Press Kit

Booking Matt Hawkins.

Everything a producer or reporter needs to put the Convention of Counties on the air. Reach out and Matt will make time.

Headshot of Matt Hawkins, founder of the Convention of Counties
Matt Hawkins, founder
Cover of the book Counties First, A House Divided, by Matt Hawkins
Counties First: A House Divided

A father of ten and Spokane business leader turned a campaign-trail question into a constitutional movement: restore the county representation a single 1964 Supreme Court ruling erased.

Matt Hawkins is the founder of the Convention of Counties and author of Counties First: A House Divided. Born and raised in Spokane, Washington, he built a career across commercial real estate, restaurants, and education while raising ten children with his wife Paula.

A 2024 run for Washington State Auditor surfaced the question that became the movement: if the US Senate gives every state an equal voice, why should a state senate not give every county the same? He now carries that case from county to county, available for interviews, podcasts, Zoom sessions, and speaking engagements.

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